Some blogger named David Appell was sounding the AGW alarm yesterday (for the millionth time I think) about dangerous Arctic Greening.
I did a post about how it has warmed in the past in the Arctic here.
I noted that temperatures dropped 1.8C from the 40s to the 1960s in that post and then it warmed again to about 1.2C warmer than 1940s.
Thats about 2F over 70 years.
But I just can’t get past the insanity of his post. He is claiming temperatures will rise 20F.
“The paper says climate models predict the shift will be 20° more by the end of the century. That’s about 1400 miles.
Denver will move to Mexico City. Saskatchewan will move to Houston. Fairbanks, Alaska will move to Portland, Oregon, and Portland will move somewhere equivalent to Miami’s latitude. “
Maybe Quack Soup would be a better title for his blog?
Here is some Arctic SIE data since 1900:
http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/essay_untersteiner.html
Comment by David Appell — March 21, 2013 @ 6:14 PM |
Here is what is happening in the Canadian Arctic recently.
https://sunshinehours.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/nunavut-canadas-arctic-temperature-falling-from-8c-to-12c-per-decade-for-last-3-years/
Comment by sunshinehours1 — March 21, 2013 @ 6:31 PM |
so what….when i lived up there, it was cold, then it warmed up…big deal, warm cold,…repeat…time to get out of your ivory tower….
Comment by Lance — March 21, 2013 @ 7:09 PM |
You are an utter idiot — you can’t even tell the difference between degrees of latitude and degrees of temperature.
Moron.
Comment by David Appell — March 27, 2013 @ 9:58 PM |
1) The Canadian Arctic is cooling as I demonstrated which is the opposite of what the paper says.
2) I quote from your blog post: “Denver will move to Mexico City. ”
The average temperature of Mexico City in the winter is 20F warmer than Denver. I looked it up.
Denver will not be 20F warmer.
You should retract your blog post and apologize to the unfortunate people who read it.
Comment by sunshinehours1 — March 28, 2013 @ 7:32 AM |
My post was clearly about degrees of latitude — obvious because I didn’t put an “F” or “C” after the degrees symbol, and converted in into miles along the arc fo the Earth’s surface.
Your misunderstanding is total.
Comment by David Appell (@davidappell) — March 29, 2013 @ 7:38 PM
I understood clearly you were making the stark raving mad prediction that Denver would have a temperature and growing season similar to Mexico City based on the outdated Arctic data.
I call it the “Climate Scientist” toolkit.
1) You see a rising line on a graph.
2) You take a ruler and draw a line from trough to peak and extend it off into the future.
3) Then you write a bogus paper claiming the rising line would rise forever.
4) Then you get some moron of a blogger to write about it.
Comment by sunshinehours1 — March 30, 2013 @ 6:44 AM
Whatever you think the Canadian Arctic is doing, Arctic ice is clearly falling apart. Without a doubt.
Comment by David Appell (@davidappell) — March 29, 2013 @ 7:39 PM
Considering how high the AMO is, Arctic Ice is doing remarkable well.
Have you heard of the AMO?
Comment by sunshinehours1 — March 30, 2013 @ 6:41 AM
The onset of modern Arctic melting began during the AMO’s last cool phase:
http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/images/ice_extent.gif
Comment by David Appell (@davidappell) — March 31, 2013 @ 1:20 PM
The graph shows ice peaked around 1971 using proxies.
http://nsidc.org/icelights/2011/01/31/arctic-sea-ice-before-satellites/
1973 was the bottom of the last AMO.
http://sunshinehours.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/amo-all-years-amo.png
And the AMO has been rising since then.
Seems like the AMO to me.
Comment by sunshinehours1 — March 31, 2013 @ 3:55 PM
Sure, because everyone remembers the massive Arctic melting of 1910-1945 when the AMO was on the increase.
Comment by David Appell (@davidappell) — March 31, 2013 @ 5:56 PM
A stash of 80-year-old photo plates in a Danish basement has proved that Greenland’s ice was melting even faster then that it is now.
In the thirties, Greenland’s ice was melting rapidly, then there was a cooling period in the middle part of the twentieth century, and now it is melting again, accelerating in the 2000s.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2152004/Lost-photos-prove-Greenlands-ice-melting-FASTER-80-years-ago-today.html
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Of the 5 Greenland Weather Stations. with data from the 1800s, the records for Spring Temperatures were 1932,32,32,32,29.
http://sunshinehours.wordpress.com/2012/07/17/greenland-temperatures-from-stations-with-data-from-the-1800s/
Lots of others from 1910 to 1940.
Comment by sunshinehours1 — March 31, 2013 @ 6:12 PM
Where was that massive decline in Arctic sea ice? There wasn’t any.
Comment by David Appell (@davidappell) — March 31, 2013 @ 6:35 PM
Show me the satellite pictures proving it didn’t decline.
Comment by sunshinehours1 — March 31, 2013 @ 7:59 PM
I’ve learned that deniers like you, afraid to even put their name to their denials, are a waste of time.
Comment by David Appell (@davidappell) — March 31, 2013 @ 9:49 PM
I expect an apology.
Comment by David Appell — March 27, 2013 @ 10:59 PM |
Where is your apology?
Comment by David Appell — April 10, 2013 @ 9:59 PM |
For pointing out stupidity?
Comment by sunshinehours1 — April 11, 2013 @ 7:37 AM