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February 17, 2014

Sea Ice Update February 17 2014 – Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Still 25% above normal

A quick update for sea ice extent:

  • Global Sea Ice is 93,000 sq km below the 1981-2010 mean.  That is 0.5% below “normal”
  • Antarctic Sea Ice is  706,000 sq km above the 1981-2010 mean. That is 25% above “normal”.  Antarctic Sea Ice Extent actually rose 38,000 sq km from day 46 to day 47. Minimum could be near.
  • Arctic Sea Ice is 799,000 sq km below the 1981-2010 mean.  That is 5.25% below “normal”.

Data here. Graphs below. Click for bigger.

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  1. […] Sea Ice Update February 17 2014 – Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Still 25% above normal […]

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  2. You can’t even spell liberalism without L – I – E – S

    Comment by Another 5 Letter Word For Fraud... OBAMA! — February 17, 2014 @ 12:45 PM | Reply

  3. in rough terms, the “above” normals cancel out the “below” normals- within 15%, which is within tolerance of measurements of these types (mainly educated “estimates”).

    therefore, as a system, the globe seems fine!!

    Comment by Tom — February 17, 2014 @ 1:00 PM | Reply

    • “Antarctic sea ice 25% above normal.” Remember, it’s SUMMER in Antarctica now. Strange, no? Global warming, climate change whatever you call it, it remains a HOAX.

      Comment by The Harp — February 18, 2014 @ 6:43 AM | Reply

  4. But the inventor of the Internet said there would be no ice at the poles by this year, I know only a Fool Believe Al Gore

    Comment by joe 812 — February 17, 2014 @ 1:21 PM | Reply

  5. That’s not supposed to happen! I haven’t shrunk my carbon footprint yet. I’m sure this must be a mistake. After all, all those scientists and Al Gore just couldn’t be wrong about how mankind is destroying their own planet. Well, I think the only thing to do is to keep on putting coal mines out of business, shutting down coal fired generation plants, converting out food supply into inefficient fuel and wasting taxpayer money funding shoddy “green” industries so they can go under with a nice big bang.

    Stay the course, don’t give up the ship, stick to your guns, a stitch in time saves nine, a penny saved is a penny earned, life is hard, but it’s harder if you’re stupid. Words to live by! (sarc)

    Comment by Fred Railsback — February 17, 2014 @ 1:24 PM | Reply

  6. Correction? Isn’t the Global Ice ABOVE the mean, ie above normal?

    Comment by WJW222 — February 17, 2014 @ 1:29 PM | Reply

    • It depends. I use the 1981-2010 mean and it is half a percent lower. Some sites use 1979-2008 as the mean and they get a different result. I use Extent. Some sites use Area. So … it depends.

      I had it above normal 9 days ago. But it has dropped slightly.

      Comment by sunshinehours1 — February 17, 2014 @ 3:04 PM | Reply

  7. Only a mere setback in the Global Warming lie. Only a setback.

    Comment by Fred- 90 years old — February 17, 2014 @ 1:30 PM | Reply

  8. Fake climate change, yet another violation of our rights. The gov’t constantly violates our rights.
    They violate the 1st Amendment by caging protesters and banning books like “America Deceived II”.
    They violate the 4th and 5th Amendment by allowing TSA to grope you.
    They violate the entire Constitution by starting undeclared wars.
    Impeach Obama.
    Last link of “America Deceived II” before it is completely banned:

    Comment by Nick11766 (@Nick11766) — February 17, 2014 @ 1:51 PM | Reply

  9. Heretic! Al Gore saw his shadow on Earth Day. THERE WILL BE 6 MORE WEEKS OF GLOBULL WARMING!!

    Comment by Steve — February 17, 2014 @ 2:02 PM | Reply

    • How dare you bring some logic into this matter. Who are you?

      Comment by tonybrr — February 17, 2014 @ 5:43 PM | Reply

  10. “Normal” is a misleading term. We have no idea what “normal” is.having only 200 years of data. I think 25% above the a 200 year average would be more like it.

    Comment by jnobfan — February 17, 2014 @ 2:05 PM | Reply

    • Fair enough. I put normal in scare quotes in the blog post. Just not in the title. And I did say its in relation to the 1981-2010 mean.

      Comment by sunshinehours1 — February 17, 2014 @ 3:11 PM | Reply

  11. MOAR sea ice is PROOF that it’s getting warmer, because everyone knows when you put ice in an oven, it gets colder!

    Comment by Braindead Democrat Liar — February 17, 2014 @ 2:24 PM | Reply

  12. Global warming — NOT!!!
    Ahhhhahahahahaha

    Comment by Bobby Cullari — February 17, 2014 @ 2:28 PM | Reply

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  14. There is a difference between “above normal” and “above average”. The statements made in the quick update for sea ice extent should say “above average” or “below average”. For data which has a Gaussian distribution, i.e., is distributed according to a “bell curve”, NORMAL is usually considered to be within average plus or minus 3 standard deviations. The data here seem to be roughly within 2 standard deviations from average. So the data IS normal.

    Comment by Steve Carousso — February 17, 2014 @ 2:49 PM | Reply

  15. The “Warmers” want to compare a single years results against a 20 year average? Is this a credible comparison?
    The Earth is going to do whatever it darn well pleases despite us lowly humans.

    Comment by Get Real — February 17, 2014 @ 3:32 PM | Reply

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  17. Ignorance is bliss … Antarctica, unlike the Arctic, is a land mass. Most of the Antarctic snow/ice lies on land and there is a constant flow of it off the land mass and into the sea. As temperatures warm on an annual seasonal cycle, there is a commensurate rise in the amount of the land-based snow/ice that is constantly being pushed off the land mass to become sea ice.
    As a result of global warming, much more than usual of the snow/ice is coming away from the land mass. Vast ice shelves that have been more or less stable for millenia are breaking up and breaking away from the continent.
    Therefore, increased sea ice is an indicator climate warming. Hope that helps.

    Comment by John Hampshire — February 17, 2014 @ 3:42 PM | Reply

    • Greenland, like Antarctica is a land mass …. I could go on but I don’t want to sound as silly as you.

      Antarctica is a desert. And it isn’t warming except in a tiny part of the Antarctic Peninsula and there is no evidence of more snow.

      I post graphs of real data. If you have snowfall data, please present it. But I doubt you do. You are just an excuse maker. And a bad one at that.

      “Snowfall amounts in Antarctica have not increased for the past 50 years, according to a new study.”

      http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/08/060811-south-pole.html

      Comment by sunshinehours1 — February 17, 2014 @ 4:04 PM | Reply

    • So next year when the ice is closer to “normal,” we declare victory over global warming and start a bonfire and consume mass amounts of libations. Because we are saved from ourselves. Thanks for the insight. Perhaps the expanding universe next week. TTFN.

      Comment by tonybrr — February 17, 2014 @ 5:57 PM | Reply

    • Ok, I get it: if sea ice decreases it is because of global warming; if sea ice increase it is because of global warming. Thanks for explaining that!

      Comment by Tom Seim — February 17, 2014 @ 10:21 PM | Reply

    • neat magic trick there.

      Comment by Kurt Smith — February 18, 2014 @ 5:25 AM | Reply

    • What happens if the ice theoretically continues to expand, until it begins to reach the Southern portions of the continents…is that even more global warming?
      I don’t know…do you realize how ridiculous you sound? Do you really believe what you’re saying, or are you just trying to say anything to justify your belief system? Up is down, and down is up…and ANYTHING that happens weather-wise, is man-made global warming. According to your theory, the Ice Ages were global warming.

      Comment by Eric M — February 18, 2014 @ 10:50 AM | Reply

  18. Reblogged this on I am Retorque….

    Comment by I am Retorque — February 17, 2014 @ 3:55 PM | Reply

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  21. […] A quick update for sea ice extent: Global Sea Ice is 93,000 sq km below the 1981-2010 mean. That is 0.5% below "normal" Antarctic Sea Ice is 706,000 sq km above the 1981-2010 mean. That is 25% ab…  […]

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  22. Nice! Good for you. Guess you’re riding the wave this evening. I am a bit jealous. ;-)

    Comment by marcwinger.com — February 17, 2014 @ 5:05 PM | Reply

  23. Scientists usually look at facts. And when the facts don’t support the theory, the theory is discarded. Hopefully that will happen with the highly politicized “global warming” theory. This “global warming” fraud is not about climate change. It’s about redistributing wealth from the industrialized nations to the less industrialized nations. It’s also about power. The “global warming” hustlers want to transfer sovereignty from individual nations and give it to the UN. Even if “global warming” were true, and even if mankind was responsible, as unlikely as that is, their proposed cure is to stick their hands in your pockets.

    Comment by dougjmiller — February 17, 2014 @ 5:38 PM | Reply

    • I couldn’t have explained that any better..nice job

      Comment by Eric M — February 18, 2014 @ 10:58 AM | Reply

  24. average and normal are 2 different animals…normal is a range

    Comment by dieter — February 17, 2014 @ 5:40 PM | Reply

    • Sure. But that is hard to encompass in a headline. The reality is that we have no real idea what is normal. Only data from 1979.

      Comment by sunshinehours1 — February 17, 2014 @ 5:47 PM | Reply

  25. Hey, does anyone know what ever happened to the global warming expidition’s ship which was stuck in the ice? I have been waiting to hear about it ever since the US sent it’s ice breaker to free it but I must have missed any news reports.

    Comment by ed — February 17, 2014 @ 5:50 PM | Reply

  26. When it comes to climate measures, there is no ‘normal.’ If there were, the global warmerers could answer these two simple questions:

    What is the correct temperature for the planet?

    Over the history of measured and estimated temperatures, why has the planet only been at the correct temperature for such a small percent of the time?

    Comment by Max17 — February 17, 2014 @ 6:13 PM | Reply

  27. Global warming…….the pet rock of the 2010’s

    Comment by MJ — February 17, 2014 @ 6:18 PM | Reply

    • Global warming …… the democrats skyjacking of the new millennium

      Just can’t keep the terrorists/crooks/democrats/obamabots away from stealing from us

      Comment by Jack Kennedy — February 17, 2014 @ 7:17 PM | Reply

  28. Reblogged this on Head Space and commented:
    This not exactly the proof the government agenda is trying to push.

    Comment by tlarremore — February 17, 2014 @ 7:05 PM | Reply

  29. There’s your climate change people. All the artic ice has moved to antartica. Buy your carbon credits now. Let’s make sure that doesn’t happen again. Hurry, time is running out.

    Comment by TruthHurts — February 17, 2014 @ 7:38 PM | Reply

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  31. If the temp ever leaves 75F, clear and sunny… Then there will be a Dem there selling carbon credits for cash.

    Comment by James (@TeaPartyJimmy) — February 17, 2014 @ 8:22 PM | Reply

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  33. Does anyone recall the “Scientific Proof” of the “Coming Ice Age” during the early 1970’s? Link: http://newsbusters.org/node/6546 As I recall the hysteria was real, and there was a plan to cover the artic with black powder to draw heat, thus melting the ice cap.

    Comment by MisterMoney — February 17, 2014 @ 8:32 PM | Reply

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  35. The progressives appear to be in a hurry to start some sort of global environmental control over us because they see that the arguments they have been using are failing miserably in the face of contrary evidence. Creating fear of environmental disasters to control how we choose to live.

    Comment by YouGotToBeKiddingMe — February 17, 2014 @ 10:22 PM | Reply

  36. The politicians are playing a classic shell game. Whether or not human activity is causative for a consistently and objective measurable change in global climate, the military industrial complex is polluting (earth, water, air) and ripping through natural resources at an unprecedented rate. It won’t really matter if the (risen) oceans are dead and there’s nothing left to fight over but potable water. During a fundraiser for legless vets and homeless swans, the elite will be able to twerkle-tweet about some celebrity blowing tons of propellant pollutant into the atmosphere, so they can post a selfie – and won’t at be just ducky….

    The arguing over it will change nothing; as both sides deploy filters upon the arguments to steer public opinion and drive money their way.

    Take a good look, folks – We are BLOWING IT.

    Comment by D.T. Baker — February 17, 2014 @ 11:18 PM | Reply

  37. youtube: The IPCC Exposed

    By the Corbett report

    Many so called IPCC ‘top’ scientists are “still 10 years away from a PHD”.

    Who really are the hysteric alarmists?

    With now all the exposed fraudulent papers, illegally withholding data, admitted manipulated studies and admissions of scientists lying, perhaps the shrieking ‘Warmists’ are the real ‘Deniers’.

    youtube:

    The Great Global Warming Swindle Full Movie ” The club of Rome…

    Now Rothschilds bought a weather broadcasting network (gee, I wonder why??? DUH), Google it:

    EL Rothschild buys stake in Weather Central – FT.com

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/67ee5828-2d8d-11e0-8f53-00144feab49a.html

    Related:

    The ideological basis for ‘environmentalism’

    youtube:

    Exposed -WWF & Prince Philip – The World Wildlife Fund

    Published on Nov 23, 2013

    The RINOs and the democrats want to hand our taxes and law making over to the UN.

    The UN is ramming ‘Agenda 21′ and ‘Common Core’ down the throats of the world, the UN’s World Bank is complicit in forcing poor farmers off their own land in Africa and South America for corporate and university endowment ‘tree farm/carbon credit’ investments, is deeming sovereign resources off limits, trying to eliminate (citizen’s only) the right to bear arms, our country’s sovereignty and our individual freedoms and now trying to force a ‘world’ climate change tax and ‘world’ wealth tax on us AND under the guise of saving us from asteroids, the UN is NOW trying co-opt our US space program, it’s technology, resources and MORE OF OUR TAXES.

    We must start with voting the RINOs and democrats OUT 2014

    So now the UN noticed Bloomberg’s dictatorial impositions on New Yorkers and has appointed him to be bulldozer for the UN’s climate change world tax.

    Through imposed ignorance we are handing over our resources, funding (taxes), technology and sovereign decision making to basically an unelected, new monarchy (UN)made up of mostly 3rd world dictatorships who are just tools of a few dynastic families.

    … time to reduce federal to it’s constitutional mandate, defund regulatory down to our country’s essential needs, defund the IRS and the Department of Education, re-coup our state’s rights, take back federal land -our state’s property from the feds), time to take back control of our own waterways and national parks and de-fund the UN, kick them out of our country, claw back pensions and restitution of it’s assets.

    Vote out the RINOs and all left progressives.

    Comment by gerry d welder — February 18, 2014 @ 2:58 AM | Reply

  38. The temps haven’t increase in 15 years! That is all that need be said to debunk this hysteria. Oh the chicken little’s will spout off about surface temps but never mind a percentage of these measuring device have things like parking lots and exhaust vents tainting their results.

    Comment by Brian washere — February 18, 2014 @ 3:19 AM | Reply

  39. I’m confused. We measure “normal” sea ice levels based upon 30 years? 30 years is meaningless in climate. We need to look at least 10,000 years to have any meaning at all.

    Comment by Bill Mitchell — February 18, 2014 @ 3:34 AM | Reply

  40. Want a laugh? As one of these Warmists what the “correct” temperature for Earth is. I mean, they want to return us to the Stone Ages to stop global warming. Fine, what is their target? How will when know when we have arrived? Here’s a hint. They have no idea.

    Comment by Bill Mitchell — February 18, 2014 @ 3:37 AM | Reply

  41. I heard a rumor that all the white ice fled to Antarctica because black ice was moving to the North Pole. Racism is causing climate change!

    Comment by Bill Mitchell — February 18, 2014 @ 3:39 AM | Reply

  42. Oh NO! The poles are out of balance … and it’s getting worse! The planet’s going to flip around any tine now, and we’ll go flying off the edge of the earth. (I hope Algore doesn’t steal this emergency message and monetize it–I’m sincere!)

    Comment by Ron Pavellas — February 18, 2014 @ 4:12 AM | Reply

  43. […] Tell him Antarctic Sea Ice Extent still 25% above normal. […]

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  44. ……global warming has never been about climate…..never!

    Comment by pompey — February 18, 2014 @ 5:58 AM | Reply

  45. so , who exactly are the flat earthers? Wonder what fat algore has to say about this?

    Comment by Scott Kadel — February 18, 2014 @ 6:07 AM | Reply

  46. Sea ice extent or area is meaningless because of the effect the wind has on the numbers. Blow in one direction and the numbers go down or up. Blow in the other direction and the numbers go up or down. How do compare one set of numbers with; another set when the wind is causing the numbers to change depending on which way the wind blows. one million sq km of 0.5 meters thick sea ice pushed by the wind to form half a million sq Km of one meter sea ice makes the number go down but the ice didn’t melt, it just moved.

    Comment by kent blaker — February 18, 2014 @ 6:15 AM | Reply

    • I believe that is the #1 excuse on the Excuse Chart For More Antarctic Sea Ice. I never hear “climate scientists” blaming the wind for MORE ice in the arctic.

      Comment by sunshinehours1 — February 18, 2014 @ 6:56 AM | Reply

  47. I am confused. It was my understanding that the polar ice cap was melting and that all humanity was doomed. Surely Al Gore would not lie about something like this.

    Comment by Wes Phelan — February 18, 2014 @ 6:22 AM | Reply

  48. Hey knuckle heads if 98% of Scientists told you that eating a particular food was going to kill you would you listen to them or reply with non nonsensical “bumper sticker” slogans that Fox & Rush told you?

    98% of the world climate scientist are telling us we are endangering our descendants quality of life with our pollution. Do you not care because it doesn’t effect you directly?

    Comment by Throbo — February 18, 2014 @ 6:29 AM | Reply

    • What if 98% of scientists told you to eat margarine instead of butter and it turned out trans fats CAUSE heart disease.

      Comment by sunshinehours1 — February 18, 2014 @ 6:53 AM | Reply

    • Liar throbo. Maybe 98 percent of LIEBERALS believe in global warming. But where do you get your figure about scientists? Al Bore?

      Comment by patriot — February 18, 2014 @ 7:54 AM | Reply

    • I would tend to believe the 98% if they were self-funded.

      Comment by donttreadonme — February 18, 2014 @ 8:15 AM | Reply

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  50. At some point the “climate change /global warming” crowd will not be able to sustain the hoax… thank God for facts/data!!

    Comment by Tom McHale — February 18, 2014 @ 6:59 AM | Reply

  51. Bill Nye Lies !! The Ice Extent is his worst enemy…. Of course it would help if he knew the North Pole from the South Pole…..

    Comment by woodythesingingcowboy — February 18, 2014 @ 7:10 AM | Reply

  52. Global Warming is only a liberal tool to make money for their pet causes off the backs of tax payers.

    Comment by paul johnson — February 18, 2014 @ 7:11 AM | Reply

  53. This article contradicts itself when it says the ice is 25 % above normal and still going up but ‘minimum could be near’. Huh? Don’t they mean MAXIMUM?

    Comment by patriot — February 18, 2014 @ 7:52 AM | Reply

    • Each year around February, Antarctic Sea Ice reaches its lowest extent for the year. This year it is reaching MINIMUM, but that MINIMUM is still 25% above the 1981-2010 average.

      In September/October Antarctic Sea Ice Extent will reach its MAXIMUM. The MAXIMUM was a record in 2012 and again in 2013.

      Comment by sunshinehours1 — February 18, 2014 @ 8:13 AM | Reply

  54. in what way is global warming a hoax, people? do you have any evidence to back this up? are you the same people that say that evolution is a hoax too? what seems more realistic, that 97% of all scientific articles written in the world agree with global warming 1) existing (the average temp is 2 degrees warmer than it was in 1950) and 2) humans having a major impact on it and 3) the trend will continue, OR, that it is all a hoax, and all those scientists have bad intentions to lie to us… exactly why would these scientists want to lie to us?

    Comment by Sean — February 18, 2014 @ 11:25 AM | Reply

  55. Your references are the “hockey schtick”? Oh, I should really listen to what they say? This is the problem.

    A 2010 paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences analyzed “1,372 climate researchers and their publication and citation data to show that (i) 97–98% of the climate researchers most actively publishing in the field support the tenets of ACC outlined by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and (ii) the relative climate expertise and scientific prominence of the researchers unconvinced of ACC are substantially below that of the convinced researchers”.

    The tenets of the ACC are what I posted previously (climate change exists, human contribute to it, and it will continue and cause a change in sea level).

    Just step back for a second. Read scientific articles from reputable sources, and listen to real scientists speak about it, not talking heads that don’t know what they are talking about. There is room for debate on global warming, but not really whether it exists. No real scientist disputes that. Some scientists dispute how much humans are contributing to it, and that is a fair argument, and also people are disputing how bad it will be in terms of sea level rises etc based on projections. But among people who are informed (not hockey schtick), that debate is done.

    There are real scientists you can find who will debate global warming – but what they debate is how much humans have contributed to it. Just because it has been a cold winter doesn’t mean global warming is a hoax. These scientists are not liberal or conservative, they care about the truth and so for you to say they are all lying just sounds like you’re a bit crazy. Why would all these scientists lie?

    Comment by Sean — February 18, 2014 @ 12:16 PM | Reply

    • 1) Members of the NAS get to publish articles in PNAS without real peer review.

      2) Stephen Schneider was a co-author. His famous quote: “On the one hand, as scientists we are ethically bound to the scientific method. On the other hand, we are not just scientists but human beings as well. To do that we need to get some broad based support, to capture the public’s imagination. That, of course, means getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest.”

      2) Jacob Harold co-author: “At the beginning of his career he worked as a climate change campaigner for Rainforest Action Network and Greenpeace USA and as organizing director at Citizen Works.”

      3) James W Prall co-author is a Senior Systems Programmer. Not a climate scientist.

      Read this criticism:

      http://pielkeclimatesci.wordpress.com/2010/06/21/comments-on-the-pnas-article-expert-credibility-in-climate-change-by-anderegg-et-al-2010/

      And this:

      http://news.sciencemag.org/2010/06/scientists-convinced-climate-consensus-more-prominent-opponents-says-paper

      “”This is a completely unconvincing analysis,” says climate expert Judith Curry of the Georgia Institute of Technology”

      Thanks for the big joke.

      Comment by sunshinehours1 — February 18, 2014 @ 1:30 PM | Reply

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  57. Like I said before, there are plenty of researchers who disagree about the CAUSE of global warming and how bad it will be. There are two prominent research climatologists that I know of, the one from GIT and one from MIT, who think global warming is being overdramatized and have been outspoken critics of the media and political coverage. But neither of those folks dispute that the earth is warming at a rapid pace.

    But you linked us to some BS article about where the 97% number comes from. In reality it comes from 1,300 researchers (97% of whom agreed with the three tenets of global warming), not your supposed survey of 29. That’s a sad attempt at having an adult discussion.

    Proving CAUSATION (humans are causing the warming) in research is extremely difficult, so what we are left with is level 5 evidence – which is basically just expert opinion. So the debate is really about whether humans are causing global warming, and whether it is drastically change our environment over the next 100 years. And as far as the scientists are concerned – people who rely on data, not opinion – 97% agree that humans cause it and the sea level rise will be significant enough to cause major problems in metropolitan areas.

    Anecdotal evidence like the record cold we’ve had these past few months doesn’t prove anything. Just the same way a record hot summer or a mild winter shouldn’t cause us to go scaring our children into reducing their carbon footprint at all costs.

    All this debate about global warming is good, we should have a healthy debate about it. The important thing is to ask what we can or should do about it, if anything. I don’t think it is productive to ignore the facts though and keep arguing that global warming is a myth.

    My point of engaging the message boards, which i know, especially when I’m linked from Drudge (and I’m a republican voter and a conservative myself), is a waste of time, was to just make it clear to you all that there is no hoax here. There are no lies. We are talking about scientists that have no agenda. They just want to help understand our world and where it is going.

    When you all try to poke holes in the fact that the earth is really warming and that just because there is a 25% increase in antarctic ice pack global warming is a “hoax” you sound like the same people that are still trying to prove that the earth is flat or that evolution is a myth.

    Comment by Sean — February 18, 2014 @ 5:31 PM | Reply

    • It appears you have been duped.

      The original paper was from Doran 2009: http://tigger.uic.edu/~pdoran/012009_Doran_final.pdf

      Here is the quote:

      “In our survey,
      the most specialized and knowledgeable
      respondents (with regard to climate
      change) are those who listed climate science
      as their area of expertise and who
      also have published more than 50% of
      their recent peer-reviewed
      papers on the
      subject of climate change (79 individuals
      in total). Of these specialists, 96.2%
      (76 of 79) answered “risen” to question 1
      and 97.4% (75 of 77) answered yes to question
      2.”

      Comment by sunshinehours1 — February 18, 2014 @ 5:46 PM | Reply

      • What exactly is your point, that in one study 3 of 79 experts said global warming doesn’t exist? I really wasn’t talking about this study, but fine, if your argument is that those 3 are right and the other 76 are wrong, good luck.

        I was referring to the 97% number in the review of 1,300 peer reviewed researchers. That is a far better study – it is not just a yes/no survey about people’s beliefs, it is data from actual research studies, performed by the national academy of the sciences – not a few grad students at UIC.

        But regardless, you haven’t addressed any of my other concerns or statements. Like why would these scientists want to lie? Why do you think it is a myth? I’d really like to understand it a bit better. Or maybe not.

        Comment by Sean — February 18, 2014 @ 5:56 PM

      • Well, only an idiot would think that all climate change is caused by CO2 only. How many of the 1,300 (or 76 out of 79) have an explanation for the 16 year pause that makes sense? How many can explain more sea ice in Antarctica? etc etc.

        But back to the 1,300:

        Convinced: “After removing duplicate names across these lists, we had a total of 903 names. ”

        Unconvinced: “. After removing duplicate names across these lists, we had a total of 472 names.”

        http://www.pnas.org/content/suppl/2010/06/07/1003187107.DCSupplemental/pnas.201003187SI.pdf

        903 out 1375 is not 97%.

        Your cult can’t do math.

        Comment by sunshinehours1 — February 18, 2014 @ 6:20 PM

      • Your cult can’t do math.

        You have wasted our time claiming 97% of 1300 scientists all agree with the IPCC. Yet even that biased survey found 472 out of 1375 were unconvinced about mans role.

        You are now SPAM.

        Comment by sunshinehours1 — February 18, 2014 @ 7:42 PM

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